What an absolute joke that anyone thinks there is any benefit at all to safety to screen pilots at TSA checkpoints. If they think after 4 years of school, $100k in training, another 4 years of grinding time as a CFI, after finally becoming a airline pilot that I would even know where to score these drugs then they must think I'm way cooler than I actually am. So to clarify, a flight attendant like a pilot is required to do a strenuous background check. For all these keyboard cowboys, do you actually know how to Google? 53 0 obj <> endobj Instead it should focus on how TSA has become more relaxed and lazy at doing their jobs and are short staffed and dont have officers to man the KCM station so everytime someone Blame it on the flight attendants, but oh the pilots wouldn't try to smuggle anything. Then to say the flight attendants can make a few runs and make their salary. Get mad at your (and my) own work group. 1) Its pretty insulting to trash the time & money spent. 0000005203 00000 n This enhancement will include retention of the crewmember selection for USP for a period of time at all KCM access points in that airport. How insulting! Cops, firefighters and paramedics are first responders. So many of these comments are quite entertaining. The TSA is just theater of the absurd (95% fail rate*) . axes, hatchets or similar. "Y'all fucked around and found out". A few extra minutes of my time isnt going to matter that much. When flights get delayed or passengers miss their flights because the TSA already cant keep up with their normal shit. So, according to you, FAs need to go through security because of prohibited items and drugs. It gets Americans used to standing in line while goons grope you - welcome to our increasing police state. The REAL problem is that airline management, in conjunction with the FA unions, basically hire anyone with a "pulse" to be a Flight Attendant. Maybe that would deter them? I am a U.S. airline pilot, and while disappointing, this development was not unexpected. The BCAS (Bureau of Civil Aviation Security) have come out with an advisory declaring locally made Power bank as prohibited item not permissible for carriage on person, hand baggage and Check-In baggage, and air cargo consignment. You have a nice day. Smuggling drugs or trying to get a weapon through security should be punishable to the people doing it. Encourage your airline to be more stringent in hiring, join the hiring team. Blame is on BOTH sides of the door. In May 2007, the TSA approved the first version of an alternate screening method called the Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). Uh huh. You really need to understand a few basics of airline travel. So it's not that they don't understand the reputation-restricted nature of items; it's that they have the rep and still can't buy the items. DGU W2VTsscpKX Ub. 30 days of history is only recorded for crewmembers with a mykcmsupport.com account I have been using KCM for a while, but just now created an account to see my history, why is there no history? Funny how you said that it's the flight attendants when I can tell because I actually work as a flight attendant that just last month a PILOT went through KCM with a loaded weapon that he should have declared. Tell your coworkers to stop trying to smuggle drugs and guns. Nevertheless, we know it takes man power and probably effects their bottom-line, to manage the check point. The sticky problem here is that a crew member bringing in a pound of drugs could just as easily be bringing in something that could harm an aircraft. If TSA cannot confirm a crewmembers identity or current employment status at the KCM access point, the crewmember will be directed to the passenger-screening checkpoint. Most crew have known for YEARS NOW that the TSA has done a piss-poor job of screening. I say some because there are agents, pilots, and flights that don't clear security at all. The current limits are arbitrary and nearly meaningless. I'll bet you even flash your "first responder" wings at cops on traffic stops too. Are you worried that they might find the child porn that you regularly travel with now that you'll be going through security more often? Second, customers are always disappointed when a crew member steps to the front of a line. CrewPASS has been used successfully at three East Coast airportsBaltimore/Washington International (BWI), Pittsburgh International (PIT) and Columbia (S.C.) Metropolitan (CAE)for almost three years. 0000057216 00000 n Perhaps the TSA services will improve if there are enough complaints from pilots and FAs as they way they treat some people is unacceptable. Flight attendants have 2 months of training. Unaccompanied Baggage. <]>> - you would really have more "professionals" and those are less likely to abuse the system. Doesn't my ID matches the same face and picture of myself in their laptop database? All other individuals (to include spouses, dependents, minor children, etc.) Then there are the handful who do things they shouldn't do, that are making it a lot harder for everyone else. It's the easiest post. 0000056810 00000 n Unfortunately, due to the dubious actions and agendas of a few, here we are. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. It is incorporated for crewmembers protection and to ensure the integrity of the system. As a flight attendant myself I see this as another power grab by the government entity tsa. Things have gotten so bad, I am ready for a fight. I think they should give a hefty fine and take away the privilege from the individual who couldnt follow the rules. More egregious violations of the Code Federal Regulations (CFRs) could result in civil or criminal penalties. You are barking up the wrong tree and won't win your argument by saying that any part fo society should ignore illegal activity because it might inconvenience you. Crewmembers may request a new or replacement KCM barcode card from their airline management. U idiot clearly dont do this for a living.. - you would really have more "professionals" and those are less likely to abuse the system. Cabin Readiness Safety & Compliance Reminder! The Known Crewmember (KCM) program is a joint initiative between Airlines for America (A4A) and the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l (ALPA).KCM ties airline employee databases together in a seamless way and enables Transportation Security Administration (TSA) security officers to positively verify the identity and employment status of Absolutely no verification of credentials or inspection of personal items. b. Also, the US is rolling out more and more high tech scanners which are much faster. Q: Are temporary government issued photo IDs allowed? The ones working the KCM check point are the laziest ones. Pilots should still be able to have KCM. Other Airline Flight Attendants have told me that some of their colleagues have been terminated for violating KCM policies. lap-top computers, camcorders, when carried by passengers or crew for personal use. Failure to follow the instruction provided by the TSO may result in action by the TSA, which may include a loss of KCM privileges for that crewmember. I don't really care if literally the whole crew, all my fellow passengers, and TSA are all smuggling drugs on every flight so long as I get where I'm headed. page on our website to help with some of the misunderstandings in this program. trailer It has been a shit-show forever at many airports (I'll site a few problem locations: EWR is #1- their KCM NEVER WORKS, forcing Crew to the regular (oh I'm sorry) - Why not stop all cars on the highway and search for drugs? ALPA and the A4A met in late March 2011 with TSA Administrator John S. Pistole and received TSA approval to install and test Known Crewmember at as many as seven U.S. hub airports. Its really an interesting take when you mention pilots dont need to be screened as much. This could help to discourage any would-be smugglers. Report: TSA Ending Known Crewmember Program In 2023 Ben Schlappig Published: November 30, 2022 Updated: December 4, 2022 201 While exact details remain to be seen, it would appear that airline pilots and flight attendants may have to consistently start going through airport security as of next year In this post: Keep dreaming. Thank you to the wonderful TSA for wasting everyones time and making the lives of hard working crew members harder while decreasing safety at the same time. You walk on your own to TSA Pre and wait in line with everyone else. Will you diffuse the bomb and save the day? Perhaps we should make it easy for flight attendants to get to the aircraft too? Are they really catching crew members with drugs? Push through to the front each and every time you clear TSA. Real professional comment on your part. Crewmembers may request a new or replacement KCM barcode card from their airline management. I hate skipping customers in line at general, CLEAR or precheck. To my knowledge its not that many. drills. _W+ Flight attendants are worthless. Are you EOD now? Your password can't be a commonly used password. We do not speed up the security process because it's busy. 0000003889 00000 n 0000002541 00000 n Too much education, and not enough accountability. Not only does he have an axe under his seat, but he could simply crash the plane. Ive definitely noticed an increase in random screenings over the last several months. Then quit and go work somewhere else. This enhancement will include retention of the Crewmember selection for USP for a period of time at all KCM access points in that airport. While exact details remain to be seen, it would appear that airline pilots and flight attendants may have to consistently start going through airport security as of next year. Crewmembers can utilize the KCM access points for both business and personal use. Adding searches of gate personnel and aircrew adds around 5% to the number of searches. 2023 PlanePeople. Known Crewmember (KCM) - It's a Privilege, Not a Right! Please remember you said this when YOU have a medical emergency or a general emergency (ie. after being told you got a random. If you combine all the flight attendants and look at the numbers is it even close to 1% of crew members doing this? Ultimately, you will work with other employees and managers to ensure projects are completed on time and that our organization hits its goals. Pilots are not, and haven't been the problem. They may not be used on board . Are you absolutely certain youd like to demean the ONLY people trained (and willing) on an aircraft at 40,000 ft. to do WHATEVER is necessary to save your sorry butt? startxref The TSAs job is not to look for drugs or identify other illegal activity. Yesterday when I went through TSA pre-check, i beeped walking through the detector even though I had nothing in my pockets or that I was wearing that should have beeped I asked the TSA what was beeping she said and I quote its not you its the system its chosen you as random Really??? Make an example of someone make it public and I bet people will reconsider their behavior. What am I hoping to accomplish by sharing this information? A 14 year old girl flew coast to coast solo, followed by her father, an airline captain in another plane. For context, with the Known Crewmember Program, eligible pilots and flight attendants dont have to clear security when passing through airports. They just walk all the way inside the secured area without being challenged or ID/Badge checked. How many pounds of illegal drugs have TSA agents detected and confiscated since their inception? TSA finds almost all guns. Regardless of the circumstances? The most common hard skill for a mcdonalds crew member is cleanliness. ]m+o^tw?Mxw7{[7Clikcno9b. As a paying subscriber of CLEAR & TSAPre, I would welcome a dedicated crew/employee line for those employees that are working. For those passengers saying we are using a program that they are paying for. 2023 KNOWN CREWMEMBER. Packages large enough to smuggle a sufficient quantity of and when people are searched - which IS part of the security screening process - then there is a legitimate NECESSITY to escalate something that is illegally found to the appropriate law enforcement authorities. It was thought up and the Airline pilots Union and not he Flight attendants union. Get your facts straight! A:Airlines for America (A4A) has received some reports of crewmembers experiencing technical difficulties while trying to activate a KCM account or register a KCM barcode card on themykcmsupport.comwebsite.. Crewmembers that experience technical difficulties while either activating an account or registering a KCM barcode card should contact the KCM service provider directly atkcmsupport@arinc.com. Pilots are not easily replaced, flight attendants are. Additionally, many of us fly the airlines as passengers with a ticket to get to/from home or the aircraft. To view KCM security checkpoint lanes at DFW, please visit the Known Crewmember website. There are multiple reports of pilots being busted with weapons. Sharp Objects, including all knives and scissors. The neck tattoo guy isn't. For years, pilots and flight attendants havent had to regularly go through security, thanks to the Known Crewmember Program. Ban the ones who broke the rules. Known Crewmember Program Information The National Air Transportation Association (NATA) and NATA Compliance Services (NATACS) is pleased to offer the Known Crewmember Program (KCM ) to certain Part 135 and Part 125 air charter pilots. How many pilots have been caught smuggling? [1] [2] Collectively called cabin crew, flight attendants are primarily responsible for passenger safety and comfort. The TSA Special Screening Procedures (SSP) for KCM do not allow crewmembers to use a temporary government issued photo ID for access into the airport sterile area through a KCM access point. I haven't been randomed by TSA, ever! The UK is committed to doing that as well, including eliminating the liquids rule. It is only there to prevent security threats to aviation, originally hijacking then terrorist attacks. They should absolutely profile crew members for randoms but right now they are sending crews through regular lines 50% of the time. I've always been concerned they let them into known crewmember from day one. Steve - Did you fly this past year? However, off-duty crews should ALWAYS have to proceed thru the TSA security checkpoints like regular passengers. Also a lot of airports, like Ohare, dont require ground crew to go through security check points. Secondly, its rather disturbing that TSA agents have very little oversight in regards to entering secure areas with bags, purses, etc. 0000003664 00000 n Airlines - KNOWN CREWMEMBER Airlines Pilots from the airlines below currently can participate in the Known Crewmember program. This is not a U.S. government site. As a result of having the FAA certificate, they are allowed to use the KCM lines. Unfortunately, too many folks don't realize or even care that flight attendants are safety professionals. And nothing to do with YOU! Try it and cry later.. They are the problem, not pilots. I'm sorry but I simply do not want to allow anyone to be able to conduct any illegal activity via aviation; the drug crisis in the US is horrific and anyone that wants to protect their personal privileges to allow someone else to profit and kill others should simply not have those privileges. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. The real issue is if you wanted to smuggle something, you would just throw it away if you got random or give it to someone else to try to take it through. Why is all the blame put on flight attendants? . This is exactly why you dont want the US government telling you how to live your life or whats good for you. On the other, my spouse is a F/A for Southwest. You were given a privilege and exploited it. Why not just revoke the flight attendants privileges and keep KCM for pilots? As it is, many of us follow the rules and are constantly being chosen to go to regular security; I have no issue with going through but it has become and everyday event for most honest people. Flight attendants never should have been included. Common sense solutions to common sense problems. The attention is directed at the wrong people. Surely if it truly were that long Donna (Karen) you absolutely would have taken a photo. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). Worrying about wait times and passenger volume is what our management is for. What an absolute joke that anyone thinks there is any benefit at all to safety to screen pilots at TSA checkpoints. Stop worrying about pilots in flight, attendants and worry about every other employee. And, while doom and gloom regarding the future might be reality, there is a good chance that it will be nowhere near as bad as some try to paint it. 0000012492 00000 n It is suggested that you print your pass prior to entering the sterile area. Additionally, authorized crewmembers must not be on a leave of absence greater than 30 days, including furloughs and military duty. The third most common is customer service on 10.7% of resumes. That volume won't come back to the regular checkpoints. _W++Udy|_3>+^j!mle`8X_% G Thats why why have an attitude, but when the government stopped paying yall we were some of the first work groups trying to see what we could do to help yall out. Their union fought for this they should be allowed to keep it. Lets not forget is was started by ALPA for pilots. Will the Expedited Crew Access program require all pilots and flight attendants to be screened, or? If you did, you wouldn't have made such an inept comment. The protection from unwarranted searching isn't about protecting people carrying contraband. Must not be in possession of any TSA-prohibited items, weapons, or firearms. Once you receive the barcode card, follow the instructions on the back to register it into the KCM system. Most airports have crew only lines and if they dont were allowed to walk to front of line while in uniform. A non-expired government-issued photo ID; An aircraft operator-issued crewmember photo ID; and, A valid FAA Flight Attendant Certificate of Proficiency; or, A second non-expired government-issued photo ID. Having an off duty employee pass rider clogging up lines that they didnt subscribe/pay for is spitting into face of the passengers that do. Prohibited Items Civil Enforcement Civil Enforcement Prohibited Items Planning ahead and packing properly can facilitate the screening process and ease your travel experience at the airport. DepartureCheck is a Passenger and Aircraft Operator Compliance Solutions Platform, brought to you by NATA Compliance Services (NATACS). No jumping in front of the line ( I always commute in polo shirts ). Security is an illusion there is no reason to subject those flying the airplane to TSA checks. The 282-ton . I've got nothing to hide. Oh youre mad because the flight attendants never treat you right. However, keep in mind it is not just F/A's who have been known to smuggle items or take advantage of the benefit. So in reality anyone who come into the airlines as an employee. I was impressed with KCM at SFO the other day. I dont understand this statement about treating flight attendants differently than pilots because we all go through very stringent background checks and process. Prohibited Items Week 2021. Drones are explicitly listed as forbidden luggage items on MSC cruises. Today's airline management and unions only care that the males can wear the female uniforms, makeup, tattoos, or fingernail polish, because it keeps the "price down". Queen Mary 2 is certified to carry 4,400 people (3,108 guests and 1,292 crew members). I have witnessed them walk through checkpoints in droves with little more than a flash of a badge. This is just going to exacerbate the problem of long lines and lack of precheck in multiple terminals, You can even point to this as a reason for the insane crowding at lounges were seeing. Crewmembers must be fully certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)as applicable; currently employed by the aircraft operator holding an approved TSA security program; have successfully completed the Criminal History Records Check (CHRC) process; be authorized to perform crewmember duties on full all-cargo flights, scheduled passenger or public/private charter passenger flights operated under an approved security program; and have completed the aircraft operators crewmember security training as applicable. Protective Security Officer (PSO)is a member of a protective security force and an element of a security post who has the training, equipment . Our customers' security is our priority. How do you call yourselves life savers when you routinely smuggle drugs which KILL people. The KCM program was initially developed by ALPA, FOR PILOTS. If any crew member wanted to cause harm they could. What else are they catching? vI9F Xm0c(`8v{i?_)D]`5Qm5fd``6h~"p /% You also clearly dont know what youre talking about if youre suggesting to not screen pilots. Right Eddie!?! Why would there be when you can dump whatever you are smuggling or take it to your car? Crewmembers also may be directed to passenger-screening lanes whenever the KCM access point is not operational. Ive definitely noticed an increase in random screenings over the last several months. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Report: TSA Ending Known Crewmember Program In 2023, My take on TSA Known Crewmember Program changes, How To Check TSA PreCheck Hours & Availability, Yuck: TSA Finds Gun Hidden In Raw Chicken, Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, On the one hand, I do think its time that some changes are made to the Known Crewmember Program, purely based on the number of people who have abused it, On the other hand, fully screening pilots and flight attendants will take up more TSA resources and could lead to longer lines at security; furthermore, the TSA isnt actually very good at finding hidden objects, At least in the case of pilots, I think screening is kind of unnecessary, since theyre flying the plane, and if they wanted to do something, Ultimately I also get the argument that the TSA isnt there to stop drugs, but rather to stop weapons; that being said, if someone is smuggling kilos of cocaine and fentanyl, getting that off the streets (or out of the skies) doesnt seem like a bad thing.
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